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03/30/2023 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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+ HB 65 INCREASE BASE STUDENT ALLOCATION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Presentation: Overview of the Foundation Formula TELECONFERENCED
by Department of Education and Early Development
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 39 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET/LOANS/FUND; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 39(FIN) Out of Committee
+= HB 41 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 41(FIN) Out of Committee
HOUSE BILL NO. 65                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to education; increasing the base                                                                         
     student allocation; and providing for an effective                                                                         
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  announced that the committee  would hear HB
65. He noted the meeting would end by 3:30 p.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:29:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAN ORTIZ,  SPONSOR,  provided a  PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation  titled  "House  Bill  65  "Increase  the  Base                                                                    
Student Allocation":  House Finance Committee,"  dated March                                                                    
30, 2023 (copy on file). He read from prepared remarks:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     House   Bill  65   will  increase   the  Base   Student                                                                    
     Allocation  (BSA) by  $680  for the  first  year for  a                                                                    
     total BSA of $6,640 per  eligible student. In the bill,                                                                    
     the  second  year  calls  for  a  BSA  increase  by  an                                                                    
     additional $120 for  a total increase of  $800 from the                                                                    
     current  BSA  amount  to  a total  BSA  of  $6,760  per                                                                    
     eligible  student. As  you can  see  with the  recently                                                                    
     updated  fiscal  notes,  total  cost  of  the  proposed                                                                    
     increase  is $174  million  (almost  $175 million)  and                                                                    
     $205 million in FY 25 and beyond.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz stated the  legislature had heard a lot                                                                    
about  the needs  across the  state from  almost all  of the                                                                    
districts  about  the problems  they  were  having with  the                                                                    
current funding  level. He was  honored to sponsor  the bill                                                                    
and looked  forward to the  important conversation  the body                                                                    
needed  to have  about  education funding.  He continued  to                                                                    
read from prepared remarks:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     In  the House  Education  Committee,  they amended  the                                                                    
     bill to  include a two-year  step up approach,  which I                                                                    
     support.  It will  help  us ease  into  a BSA  increase                                                                    
     during a  current challenging  revenue forecast  and it                                                                    
     will  also help  offset the  ever increasing  inflation                                                                    
     experienced by  school districts.  Based on  what we've                                                                    
     heard from  almost all of  the 54 school  districts and                                                                    
     their residents  across the state. The  $680 that would                                                                    
     be   added  to   the   BSA  under   this  bill,   would                                                                    
     significantly fall short  of the real needs  of many of                                                                    
     our  districts and  particularly more  rural districts.                                                                    
     As  the   bill  moves   through  the  process   in  the                                                                    
     committee,  I would  welcome any  amendment that  would                                                                    
     increase the BSA up to $800 rather than the $680.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:31:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz   moved  to  slide  2   and  discussed                                                                    
increases in inflation with prepared remarks:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Since  2012, inflation  has increased  by  at least  24                                                                    
     percent, while the BSA has  only increased 4.2 percent.                                                                    
     Although  we  have  flat funded  education,  in  recent                                                                    
     years   because  of   inflation   spending  power   for                                                                    
     education funding  has actually decreased by  almost 20                                                                    
     percent.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  highlighted that the graph  on slide 2                                                                    
reflected  that  the real  spending  power  of the  BSA  had                                                                    
decreased significantly.  He stated  it was quite  clear the                                                                    
legislature needed to address the issue.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He turned to slide 3 and discussed increased costs                                                                              
throughout Alaska with prepared remarks:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In the  Lower Kuskokwim,  they have  seen a  46 percent                                                                    
     increase in fuel costs. In  the Juneau School District,                                                                    
     they  have  seen 155  percent  increase  since 2017  in                                                                    
     property and  liability, auto, and cyber  insurance. In                                                                    
     the Annette Island School District  in the community of                                                                    
     Metlakatla,  electricity  costs  have  gone  up  by  26                                                                    
     percent.  In  the  Anchorage School  District,  medical                                                                    
     coverage for  employees' accounts  for over  17 percent                                                                    
     of their  general fund expenditures and  high inflation                                                                    
     within  the medical  sector will  necessitate increased                                                                    
     district and/or employee  contributions to health plans                                                                    
     or a  reduction in benefits.  Some of these  costs like                                                                    
     freight and shipping are unique  to Alaska. Taking into                                                                    
     consideration Alaska's specific  cost of living, Alaska                                                                    
     spends  less per  pupil on  public  education than  the                                                                    
     national  average.   Yes,  Alaska  ranks  six   in  the                                                                    
     national per pupil K-12 funding  in raw dollars, but in                                                                    
     a study  recently conducted by Institute  of Social and                                                                    
     Economic  Research (ISER),  they found  that when  2019                                                                    
     education spending in Alaska  was adjusted for the cost                                                                    
     of  living,   Alaska  was  underfunding   education  in                                                                    
     comparison to  the national  average. The  actual study                                                                    
     can be found in your bill packet.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:34:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz turned to slide 4 and discussed                                                                            
decreased services with prepared remarks:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     As a result,  school districts are having  to make very                                                                    
     difficult  decisions to  balance  their budgets.  Every                                                                    
     district is  cutting teachers and  increasing classroom                                                                    
     size.  Counselors,  librarians, custodians,  and  other                                                                    
     support staff are currently on  the chopping block. For                                                                    
     example, in  the Fairbanks  North Star  School District                                                                    
     they have decided to close  and restructure a couple of                                                                    
     schools, increase  class sizes, and eliminate  over 130                                                                    
     positions  including  teachers,  counselors,  classroom                                                                    
     aides,  and other  support staff.  The Kenai  Peninsula                                                                    
     School  District  would  have  to eliminate  33  to  49                                                                    
     fulltime  certified  teachers,  which would  raise  the                                                                    
     student  teacher  classroom  ratio  by  plus  five  per                                                                    
     classroom. In the Annette  Island School District, they                                                                    
     are looking  at a  12 percent  decrease in  staffing to                                                                    
     address  their  $1.2  million shortfall  this  upcoming                                                                    
     year. Anchorage  is increasing  their pupil  to teacher                                                                    
     ratio  across   the  K-12  system   by  plus   one  and                                                                    
     eliminating  62  fulltime  teaching positions  to  save                                                                    
     about $7.3 million.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Fine  arts  programs,  language classes,  and  even  AP                                                                    
     classes are  at risk. After school  and extracurricular                                                                    
     activities  are  also being  considered  to  be on  the                                                                    
     chopping  block  and  we have  heard  anecdotally  from                                                                    
     students   that  losing   programs   they  care   about                                                                    
     decreases their  motivation to stay engaged.  These are                                                                    
     all  potential and  would become  reality unless  we do                                                                    
    something to address the BSA this particular year.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Despite the decrease in  services, school districts are                                                                    
     still    prioritizing    funding    for    instruction.                                                                    
     Instructional  costs make  up 74  percent of  education                                                                    
     funding expenditures,  while administrative  costs only                                                                    
     make up about 14 percent  of expenditures. As we debate                                                                    
     the merits of  an increase to the BSA,  it is important                                                                    
     to put  that investment in  context of the  budget. Now                                                                    
     that  the Department  of Health  and the  Department of                                                                    
     Family   and  Community   Services  are   two  separate                                                                    
     departments,  the  Department  of Education  and  Early                                                                    
     Development   is  the   second  largest   budget  item.                                                                    
     Unfortunately,  that makes  it  the  easiest budget  to                                                                    
     target  in   times  of  budgetary   challenges  without                                                                    
     necessarily taking  into account the  long-term impacts                                                                    
     on children  and our  future workforce.  Meanwhile, I'd                                                                    
     like  to note  that our  largest budget  is the  PFD as                                                                    
     this particular slide denotes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz recognized  that many  Alaskans needed                                                                    
and could  use the PFD.  He thought Alaska was  very unusual                                                                    
as a state  to be supporting something like  a PFD allotment                                                                    
for all of  its residents and spending more on  that than on                                                                    
education for  its residents. He believed  the situation had                                                                    
to be addressed.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:37:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz   turned  to  slide  7   showing  K-12                                                                    
foundation  formula  funding   and  PFD  appropriations.  He                                                                    
highlighted that the state had  not always spent more on the                                                                    
PFD than it  had on education. He pointed out  that in FY 13                                                                    
the state had spent almost twice  as much on education as it                                                                    
had on the  PFD. The first time the state  spent more on the                                                                    
PFD than education was in FY  16. He stated it had gone back                                                                    
down   with   the   difficult    decisions   made   by   the                                                                    
administration at the time. He  stated that it had been only                                                                    
in  the  past  few  years  that the  amount  the  state  was                                                                    
spending  on the  PFD significantly  outstripped the  amount                                                                    
spent   on  education.   He  clarified   that  he   was  not                                                                    
underestimating  the  importance  of the  PFD;  however,  he                                                                    
believed it  was a problem  when the state was  putting more                                                                    
towards the  PFD than education.  He believed  the committee                                                                    
had  heard  loud  and  clear  from  many  of  the  districts                                                                    
regarding the needs for the  BSA. He concluded that the bill                                                                    
sought to address  the issue. He looked forward  to a debate                                                                    
on the topic.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:39:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon recognized Representative  Andi Story in the                                                                    
audience.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson looked  at slide 7 and  was uncertain about                                                                    
the correlation  between the PFD  and BSA. She asked  if the                                                                    
presentation  was saying  that  a high  PFD  took away  from                                                                    
education.  She   remarked  there  were   other  departments                                                                    
spending money and there were  no claims that spending money                                                                    
in one area was taking away from another area.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Ortiz  responded   that  the   presentation                                                                    
illustrated  that education  had been  flat funded  since FY                                                                    
13, a period in which  there had been substantial inflation.                                                                    
The presentation  indicated that  students across  the state                                                                    
needed to keep on living with  the support they had 11 to 12                                                                    
years ago. He stated it was  okay because the state was in a                                                                    
fiscal situation  with declining  oil revenues.  However, at                                                                    
the  same  time,  there  had   still  been  the  ability  to                                                                    
distribute record  setting PFDs. He  stated that the  PFD in                                                                    
FY 23  and the  proposed 50/50  PFD [for  FY 24]  were still                                                                    
substantially  higher than  what the  state was  spending on                                                                    
educating  its   children.  He  remarked  that   many  other                                                                    
departments such  as the  Department of  Commerce, Community                                                                    
and Economic Development had  been significantly reduced. He                                                                    
explained that there  had been cuts to  education and health                                                                    
and human services, while the PFD had been increased.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Johnson  noted   the  legislature   had  recently                                                                    
proposed $16 million to the  budget in a recent amendment by                                                                    
the governor. She asked how  it interplayed with the funding                                                                    
request in  HB 65. She  explained that the  funding proposed                                                                    
by the governor went to teachers and some locality pay.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Ortiz  asked   if   Co-Chair  Johnson   was                                                                    
referring  to   teacher  salary  bonuses  proposed   by  the                                                                    
governor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Johnson agreed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  replied  that  he was  aware  of  the                                                                    
proposals. He  stated his  understanding that  the proposals                                                                    
were  not  a  substitute  for   BSA  funding.  He  would  be                                                                    
supportive of  more financial support for  educators, but he                                                                    
had  not heard  details  on the  structure  and whether  the                                                                    
proposal  would   occur  inside  or  outside   of  the  BSA.                                                                    
Additionally, he  did not  know what  kind of  reception the                                                                    
proposal had  received in the  other body and  whether there                                                                    
had been a bill hearing in the House Education Committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:44:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  looked at slide 7  and estimated                                                                    
the slide  showed approximately $1.3 billion  in funding [in                                                                    
K-12 foundation  formula funding].  He highlighted  that the                                                                    
Department  of Education  and Early  Development (DEED)  had                                                                    
recently  given  a presentation  to  the  committee and  had                                                                    
reported $1.991  billion for FY 23.  He asked Representative                                                                    
Ortiz about  the discrepancy in  the numbers.  He referenced                                                                    
FY 22 funding  actuals for DEED of $1.865 billion  and a 6.5                                                                    
percent increase to the $1.991 billion in FY 23.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  replied that  the numbers  referred to                                                                    
by  Representative Tomaszewski  included  items outside  the                                                                    
BSA such  as pupil transportation and  federal expenditures.                                                                    
He clarified  that the blue  lines in  the graph on  slide 7                                                                    
reflected the BSA only.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski   pointed  out  a   6.5  percent                                                                    
funding  increase  for  DEED  from   FY  22  to  FY  23.  He                                                                    
highlighted that  an increase to education  had occurred. He                                                                    
thought it looked like the  budget would be pretty flat from                                                                    
the past year.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:47:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked why the  BSA was talked about so                                                                    
much and  how it  was so different  than funding  outside of                                                                    
the BSA.  She asked how  school districts and  school boards                                                                    
looked at  the funding  differently as they  made decisions.                                                                    
She remarked there  were letters from many  districts in the                                                                    
packets.  She asked  how Representative  Ortiz  had come  up                                                                    
with the initial proposed number in the bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz responded  that  the BSA  was how  the                                                                    
state supported  the education of  its youth.  He elaborated                                                                    
that  it was  the  primary  chunk of  money  that went  into                                                                    
education support.  While there were other  important facets                                                                    
including money  for transportation and federal  money, they                                                                    
played a  relatively minor role  overall. He  explained that                                                                    
the BSA  had been essentially  flat for  11 to 12  years and                                                                    
due to  inflation it  was no mystery  why the  districts had                                                                    
stressed  that  a  significant   increase  in  the  BSA  was                                                                    
critical.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CAROLINE HAMP, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE  DAN ORTIZ, shared that                                                                    
the original version of the  bill was an increase of $1,250,                                                                    
which was  an increase  of about  20 percent.  She explained                                                                    
the amount was  about the size of the  gap between inflation                                                                    
over the past ten years and the BSA.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:51:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz elaborated  that  the original  number                                                                    
had been selected because it  came close to catching up with                                                                    
inflation,  but it  still fell  short. He  relayed that  the                                                                    
actual  number put  out by  DEED or  ISER was  approximately                                                                    
$1,350. He  added that he  had selected the number  in light                                                                    
of the state's fiscal reality.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin had  heard that  because the  dollars                                                                    
had  gone through  the formula  for decades,  [the BSA]  was                                                                    
considered  predictable  for  important decision  making  by                                                                    
school boards.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  responded that he had  previously been                                                                    
a teacher and  had taught for 32 years. He  stated it really                                                                    
was about  the BSA. He  relayed that every spring  the local                                                                    
school  boards  were  responsible for  compiling  a  budget,                                                                    
which was based  on the BSA number because  it accounted for                                                                    
the largest  portion of funding  and was what  districts had                                                                    
to go  on to make  estimates for the year  ahead. Currently,                                                                    
because  the  school  districts   had  not  heard  from  the                                                                    
legislature, some  were laying their deficits  out there and                                                                    
making decisions accordingly. He  stated that some districts                                                                    
were  hedging their  bets and  had heard  it was  likely the                                                                    
legislature would come up with  a BSA increase, while at the                                                                    
same time they  realized if an increase did  not occur, they                                                                    
would need  to make  significant reductions. He  stated that                                                                    
school  districts would  have to  make reductions  even with                                                                    
the  proposed  increase  in  the bill.  He  added  that  the                                                                    
legislature had heard loud and  clear that the cost of doing                                                                    
business on  a per  student basis was  much higher  in rural                                                                    
areas and  those districts were  looking at some  very tough                                                                    
choices.  He  thought the  legislature  needed  to bump  the                                                                    
number up to [an increase of] about $800.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:54:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp   thanked  Representative   Ortiz  for                                                                    
introducing the legislation and  agreed on the importance of                                                                    
education in  Alaska. He  looked at slide  7 and  noted that                                                                    
the slide  showed funding  for BSA only.  He asked  how much                                                                    
the legislature  had appropriated  for education  outside of                                                                    
the formula in the past few years.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hamp requested to hear from DEED.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HEIDI TESHNER, ACTING  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION                                                                    
AND  EARLY  DEVELOPMENT, replied  that  there  had been  $57                                                                    
million appropriated  outside of the  formula in FY  23. She                                                                    
relayed that there had been  funding appropriated outside of                                                                    
the formula 11 times since 1999.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon looked  at the chart on slide 7  in terms of                                                                    
overall  foundation formula  in  addition  to the  increased                                                                    
costs   for   heating   fuel,   utilities,   transportation,                                                                    
etcetera.  He noted  that  slide 3  aligned  with the  swoop                                                                    
graph [showing the  governor's FY 24 budget] on  slide 6. He                                                                    
asked if  the additional  money addressed  by Representative                                                                    
Tomaszewski and Representative Stapp went to other things.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Acting   Commissioner    Teshner   replied   it    was   her                                                                    
understanding that the  blue bar [on slide  7] reflected the                                                                    
K-12 foundation formula only.  She noted that Representative                                                                    
Tomaszewski  had been  referring  to all  of the  additional                                                                    
funding  that went  to fund  the department  including pupil                                                                    
transportation,  youth  and detention  residential  schools,                                                                    
boarding homes, and other items.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp stated that  sometimes it was confusing                                                                    
when  it  was stated  that  education  was flat  funded.  He                                                                    
reasoned  that  it  effectively meant  that  the  foundation                                                                    
formula   had   been    flat   funded,   although   previous                                                                    
legislatures  had appropriated  education funding  for other                                                                    
reasons. He  referenced the ISER study  in members' packets.                                                                    
He  highlighted  that  the   study  discussed  how  Alaska's                                                                    
unadjusted  per pupil  spending  and  educator and  employee                                                                    
benefits was  64 percent  above the  U.S. average.  He noted                                                                    
the study also  talked about high energy costs.   He thought                                                                    
the real problem  was that the inflationary  costs of energy                                                                    
and healthcare were driving the  reductions in education. He                                                                    
surmised  that  education  funding   was  a  symptom  of  an                                                                    
underlying problem,  which was the increase  in inflationary                                                                    
pressure and cost of living for Alaska.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:59:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  agreed.  He  remarked  that  everyone                                                                    
could remember what things used  to cost. He recalled all of                                                                    
the things he could buy with 50  cents when he was a kid. He                                                                    
explained that  most of  the money  for education  came from                                                                    
the BSA and it had been  relatively flat. He stated that the                                                                    
increments outside of the BSA  that occurred a bit less than                                                                    
half  of  the years  since  1999  did not  necessarily  keep                                                                    
[education funding]  up with inflation  or in  a predictable                                                                    
way  that enabled  districts to  plan. He  explained that  a                                                                    
one-year bump in funding did  not enable schools to increase                                                                    
programs,  implement programs,  or plan  for the  funding in                                                                    
future years.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:02:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson   referenced  the   Coalition  for                                                                    
Education  Equity of  Alaska that  had been  instrumental in                                                                    
the  Kasayulie case  (a capital  budget  disparity case  for                                                                    
rural Alaska) and  the Moore case 19 years  ago (overseen by                                                                    
Judge  [Sharon] Gleason).  He  referred  to Judge  Gleason's                                                                    
ruling that included  four elements that spoke  to the State                                                                    
of   Alaska's  constitutional   responsibility  for   public                                                                    
education.  He highlighted  the  element requiring  adequate                                                                    
funding   for  schools   to  provide   instruction  in   the                                                                    
standards. He  noted that  element appeared  to be  the most                                                                    
expensive  of the  four. He  noted  another requirement  for                                                                    
adequate assessment  systems. He looked at  the flat funding                                                                    
for a decade shown on slide 7  and asked if the state was at                                                                    
risk of  being taken to  court for not meeting  the elements                                                                    
in Judge  Gleason's ruling. He asked  if Acting Commissioner                                                                    
Teshner had heard anything about that.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Tesher  answered that  she had  not heard  anything. She                                                                    
surmised it depended  on how a person  defined adequate. She                                                                    
stated that no two people would  define it the same way. She                                                                    
thought part  of the intent  of HB  65 was to  determine the                                                                    
adequate amount  of funding needed  for the BSA to  meet the                                                                    
state's obligations  through the  two court  cases mentioned                                                                    
by Representative Josephson.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson reasoned that  a court may say that                                                                    
what was adequate 10 years ago was no longer adequate.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cronk shared that he  was a former teacher of                                                                    
25 years  and for  six of  the years  he received  no salary                                                                    
increase.  He  also had  experience  serving  on a  regional                                                                    
school board,  which was responsible for  providing budgets.                                                                    
He  noted that  insurance costs  were drivers.  He asked  if                                                                    
school  districts  were  rallying   around  HB  21  to  pool                                                                    
insurance to save money.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz responded that  he had heard talk about                                                                    
the  proposal and  at  face  value it  seemed  to make  good                                                                    
economic  sense;  however,  he   knew  the  issue  was  more                                                                    
complicated than that. For  example, the teachers' insurance                                                                    
program  comingled   with  the  borough  employees   in  his                                                                    
district. He did not know  how it would impact the borough's                                                                    
insurance pool  if the teachers  joined a  statewide teacher                                                                    
pool.  He did  not know  whether it  would save  the borough                                                                    
money. He  believed there  were all  kinds of  variations on                                                                    
what  may  happen to  the  overall  cost of  any  particular                                                                    
school district if such a bill were adopted.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:06:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk  stated  that   part  of  the  state's                                                                    
problem  was it  had  been doing  things for  so  long in  a                                                                    
certain  way that  it did  not look  to change  anything. He                                                                    
considered that it may not  be the most beneficial for some,                                                                    
but overall it  would benefit the majority of  the state. He                                                                    
thought  something should  be looked  at like  the insurance                                                                    
pool  proposal  should be  looked  at  to make  the  state's                                                                    
dollars  go further.  He considered  perhaps it  could be  a                                                                    
bigger insurance pool where the borough benefitted as well.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe looked  at the  resolutions in  the                                                                    
packet from  various school districts.  She stated  that the                                                                    
Anchorage  School  District  wanted $1,268  and  the  school                                                                    
board  administrators wanted  $860. She  highlighted various                                                                    
amounts requested including $1,000,  $278, and $860. She was                                                                    
struggling with  settling on a  number. She believed  it was                                                                    
important.  She  elaborated  that some  of  the  resolutions                                                                    
referred to  inflation rates, which varied.  She preferred a                                                                    
one-time outside the formula increment  for education due to                                                                    
the differences. She  thought the BSA felt  like putting one                                                                    
number on  districts with various needs.  She suggested that                                                                    
perhaps one-time funding  could be formulated in  a way that                                                                    
adjusted to each of the  needs. She asked for Representative                                                                    
Ortiz's thoughts. She remarked  that most of the resolutions                                                                    
in the  resolutions were lower or  close to the same  as the                                                                    
figure in Representative Ortiz's bill.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz  answered that  it made sense  that the                                                                    
needs of  the 54  school districts  were different  from one                                                                    
another. He  stated that  one of the  problems with  the BSA                                                                    
was that it is a  uniform amount per student; however, there                                                                    
is a cost differential factored  in for rural areas and less                                                                    
costly areas. He explained that  the problem with a one-time                                                                    
increase was  that it  would still be  difficult to  craft a                                                                    
way to  distribute the money based  on a higher need  in one                                                                    
district versus  another because  needs were  subjective. He                                                                    
clarified that  needs were  based on  numbers, but  what may                                                                    
appear to be a greater need  in one area may not actually be                                                                    
that much greater than in  another. He highlighted that one-                                                                    
time funding was  only for one year and did  not give school                                                                    
districts  predictability and  the ability  to plan  for the                                                                    
future.  He expounded  that  an increase  to  the BSA  would                                                                    
allow  districts to  plan  for the  future.  He stated  that                                                                    
there  was  no  guarantee that  another  one-time  increment                                                                    
would be given in the next budget cycle.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:12:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Edgmon  added that  the  total  amount of  formula                                                                    
funding  going through  a  school  district included  local,                                                                    
state   (the  BSA),   and   federal   funds  (for   Regional                                                                    
Educational Attendance Areas (REAA)  without a tax base). He                                                                    
explained  that the  foundation formula  incorporated things                                                                    
like  the  size  of  a district,  school  district  factors,                                                                    
intensive    needs,    special    education    needs,    and                                                                    
correspondence  schools.  As  a   legislator  from  a  rural                                                                    
district, the  one disparity that  leapt out to him  was the                                                                    
cost of energy. He highlighted  a small school relying on an                                                                    
independent  electrical  grid  powered by  diesel  versus  a                                                                    
larger school  with a much  larger economy of  scale powered                                                                    
by  natural  gas. He  elaborated  that  every school  had  a                                                                    
different  business  model.  He discussed  enrollment  where                                                                    
some  rural schools  were increasing  in enrollment  numbers                                                                    
and  many  schools  were declining  in  enrollment  such  as                                                                    
Anchorage,  which  was the  largest  of  the state's  school                                                                    
districts.   He  stated   that  whatever   BSA  number   the                                                                    
legislature  may provide  would  be  a mean  of  all of  the                                                                    
school  districts  including   the  different  cost  factors                                                                    
throughout each school district.  He stated that the special                                                                    
needs component was 13 times  the average dollar that may go                                                                    
to the  district cost  factor or  something else.  He shared                                                                    
that  had been  in  the building  when  former Senator  Gary                                                                    
Wilken had  passed the last full  foundation formula rewrite                                                                    
in 1998  (SB 36).  He remarked  that the  foundation formula                                                                    
was  up  there  with  the   oil  tax  formula  in  terms  of                                                                    
complexity.  He   underscored  the  formula  was   just  one                                                                    
component of  the overall funding  stream going  to schools.                                                                    
He viewed it as a moving target.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:15:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe  discussed  that  school  districts                                                                    
were  saying   inflation  had  raised  the   fixed  cost  of                                                                    
everything. She  believed the BSA  would go  towards funding                                                                    
utility  bills and  there was  no promise  to increase  test                                                                    
scores and student improvement. She  stated, "This is like a                                                                    
dire need of  keeping it warm, water, and all  of the things                                                                    
that go into running a  school." She asked if Representative                                                                    
Ortiz   anticipated  seeing   any   improvement  in   school                                                                    
achievement the following year [if the bill passed].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  responded  that the  legislature  had                                                                    
passed  the Reads  Act [in  2022],  which addressed  regular                                                                    
assessment and  tracking student growth and  improvement. He                                                                    
stated that  it may  not meet everyone's  needs in  terms of                                                                    
assessing or measuring growth, but  it was one key component                                                                    
that  would  inform  the public  on  where  improvement  was                                                                    
happening and  where it was  not. He remarked that  it would                                                                    
not necessarily  explain all of  the different  factors, but                                                                    
it  was a  measure that  had not  been there  previously. He                                                                    
recognized  that based  on measurements  thus far  in recent                                                                    
years,  Alaska seemed  to  be  at the  bottom,  which was  a                                                                    
concern. He  emphasized that not  addressing the  real needs                                                                    
due to heavy inflation would not help outcomes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:18:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe explained  that she  had asked  the                                                                    
question because  she wanted to ensure  her constituents had                                                                    
appropriate  expectations.  She  stated  that  when  schools                                                                    
asked for  another increase the  following year  and student                                                                    
achievement was  the same, she  wanted people  to understand                                                                    
that the funding was going  towards helping schools with the                                                                    
inflation  part  of  schooling. She  stated  there  were  no                                                                    
promises  that student  achievement would  go up.  She added                                                                    
that the  only hope  of an  increase in  student achievement                                                                    
was in  the implementation of  the Reads Act, which  had its                                                                    
own separate funding.  She noted that surely  an increase in                                                                    
BSA would  help move  the implementation.  She did  not want                                                                    
anyone  to expect  student achievement  would increase  once                                                                    
the BSA increased.  She understood it to  be an inflationary                                                                    
problem  paying for  buildings, teachers,  and schools.  She                                                                    
clarified  that she  wanted that  and  she understood  there                                                                    
were issues with transportation as well.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:19:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting   Commissioner   Teshner  introduced   a   PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation  titled "Alaska  Public School  Funding Formula                                                                    
Overview," dated  March 30, 2023.  She began on slide  3 and                                                                    
highlighted that  the current formula  was adopted  under SB
36 in 1998 and implemented in  1999, which was defined in AS                                                                    
14.17.  She  advanced to  slide  5  and discussed  that  the                                                                    
average daily  membership (ADM) was  the number  of enrolled                                                                    
students during  the 20 school-day  count period  ending the                                                                    
fourth  Friday  of  October annually.  She  elaborated  that                                                                    
reports were due  to DEED within two weeks after  the end of                                                                    
the  count period.  Additionally,  projected student  counts                                                                    
were  due annually  on November  5. She  explained that  the                                                                    
department  used the  projected  counts for  the budget  and                                                                    
DEED used  the actual numbers districts  reported within two                                                                    
weeks of the  count period to determine what  they were paid                                                                    
during that current fiscal year.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner turned  to slide 6 and addressed                                                                    
who qualified as a student:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Eligibility for State Foundation Funding:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        • A child who is 6 years of age on or before                                                                          
          September 1, and under the age of 20, and has not                                                                     
          completed the 12th grade (AS 14.03.070)                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        • A child who is 5 years of age on or before                                                                          
          September 1, may enter kindergarten (AS 14.03.080                                                                     
          (d))                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        • A child with a disability and an active                                                                             
          Individualized Education Program (IEP) may attend                                                                     
          school if at the age of 3 or if under the age of                                                                      
          22 by July 1 (AS 14.30.180 (1))                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon  communicated that he wanted  to get through                                                                    
each segment of the presentation  and would pause at the end                                                                    
of each for questions.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner looked  at slide 7, which showed                                                                    
the six steps to district  adjusted ADM. She noted intent to                                                                    
cover a slide explaining how the formula was calculated.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan looked at slide  6 and asked how five-                                                                    
year-olds  in  kindergarten  were differentiated  under  the                                                                    
formula in statute.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner asked if  Representative Hannan                                                                    
was asking how they were calculated under the formula.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan replied affirmatively.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner   answered  that  a  full-time                                                                    
kindergarten student was counted as one ADM, whereas half-                                                                      
time students  were counted as  half-time. She  explained it                                                                    
depended on how the student  was enrolled in the school. She                                                                    
highlighted  that  nothing  in  the  formula  addressed  how                                                                    
students  may be  counted under  the Alaska  Reads Act.  She                                                                    
remarked that those kids were  counted as half-time and were                                                                    
not   included  in   the   calculation   presented  in   the                                                                    
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hannan stated  that prior  to the  Reads Act                                                                    
some  schools had  pre-K programs.  She asked  if they  were                                                                    
counted in the foundation formula the same as a five-year-                                                                      
old or separately.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Teshner  answered  that  they would  be                                                                    
counted  if they  had an  IEP, otherwise  they would  not be                                                                    
counted in the formula at all.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ELWIN  BLACKWELL,  SCHOOL  FINANCE  MANAGER,  DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                    
EDUCATION  AND EARLY  DEVELOPMENT, discussed  Step 1  of the                                                                    
district adjusted ADM on slide  8: Adjust the ADM for school                                                                    
size.  He  explained  that  after   the  count  period,  the                                                                    
department took  each school within a  community and applied                                                                    
the school size table. He  detailed that the table gave more                                                                    
weighting  to small  schools and  started to  step back  the                                                                    
weighting the  bigger the  school got  based on  the concept                                                                    
that a small school lacked  economy of size; therefore, more                                                                    
resources  were needed  for a  smaller school.  He explained                                                                    
that schools with  under 10 students were added  to the next                                                                    
smallest school  in a  community (with  an ADM  greater than                                                                    
10). For  communities with an ADM  of 10 to 100,  the grades                                                                    
K-12  would  run through  the  formula  as one  school.  For                                                                    
communities with an  ADM of 101 to 425, grades  K-6 and 7-12                                                                    
were  adjusted separately  as two  schools. For  communities                                                                    
with  an ADM  greater than  425,  the ADM  of each  facility                                                                    
administered  as  a  separate  school  was  adjusted.  If  a                                                                    
community  with  an  ADM  greater  than  425  had  a  single                                                                    
facility, it was adjusted as two schools.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:26:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Blackwell  turned to  slide 9  and continued  to address                                                                    
Step  1: Adjust  the ADM  for school  size. Alternative  and                                                                    
charter schools  were adjusted separately. He  detailed that                                                                    
alternative schools with an ADM  of 175 or greater that were                                                                    
administered  as  a  separate facility  received  their  own                                                                    
adjustment unless:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   1. It is in the 1st year of service with ADM between 120                                                                     
     to 175 receives an adjustment of 1.33; OR                                                                                  
   2. It had an ADM of 175 or greater in the prior year but                                                                     
     drops below 175 in the current fiscal year it will                                                                         
     receive an adjustment of 1.33; OR                                                                                          
   3. It has an ADM of less than 175 it shall be counted as                                                                     
     a part of the school in the district with the highest                                                                      
     ADM                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Blackwell continued to review slide 9:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Charter school with an ADM of 150 or greater is                                                                            
     adjusted as a separate facility unless:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        1. It is in the 1st year of service with ADM between                                                                    
          75 to 150 it receives an adjustment of 1.45; OR                                                                       
        2. It had an ADM of 75 or greater in the prior year                                                                     
          but drops below this in the current fiscal year                                                                       
         it will receive an adjustment of 1.45; OR                                                                              
        3. It continues to stay below 75 ADM then it                                                                            
          receives an adjustment of 1.18                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Blackwell  turned  to  slide  10  showing  Nome  public                                                                    
schools  projected FY  24 ADM  by school  as an  example for                                                                    
Step 1.  He would use the  numbers shown on slide  10 in the                                                                    
upcoming slides.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Blackwell moved  to  slide 11  and  continued with  the                                                                    
example  using Nome  public schools.  A  K-6 adjustment  was                                                                    
applied  because  Nome  had   an  elementary  and  secondary                                                                    
school. Nome  also had  a charter school  with an  ADM below                                                                    
75;  therefore,   the  1.18  adjustment  was   applied.  The                                                                    
department added  the school size adjusted  numbers for each                                                                    
of the  facilities to  come up with  a school  size adjusted                                                                    
ADM, which would be carried through the formula.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Blackwell  addressed  the hold  harmless  provision  on                                                                    
slide 12.  The hold harmless  provision was enacted  in 2008                                                                    
under  HB 273  (prior to  that  there was  no hold  harmless                                                                    
provision).  The  department  looked   at  the  school  size                                                                    
adjusted ADM  for a  district and compared  it to  the prior                                                                    
year. He detailed  that if the school size  adjusted ADM had                                                                    
decreased by  5 percent or more  from one year to  the next,                                                                    
the  hold harmless  provision was  triggered. He  elaborated                                                                    
that in  the first  year, the department  would take  5 [75]                                                                    
percent  of the  difference  between the  prior and  current                                                                    
year, which would  be added to the current  year and carried                                                                    
forward. If  the school  size adjusted  ADM was  still below                                                                    
the base year  in the second year, the  department would add                                                                    
50 percent of  the difference to the base year  and carry it                                                                    
forward. In the third year,  if the school size adjusted ADM                                                                    
was still below  the base year, the department  would add 25                                                                    
percent of  the difference  to the base  year to  be carried                                                                    
forward. By  the fourth year,  the school district  would be                                                                    
adjusted down to its school size adjusted ADM.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Blackwell moved  to  slide 13  and  discussed the  hold                                                                    
harmless provision  based on the Nome  example. He explained                                                                    
that Nome  had completed  the hold harmless  three-year step                                                                    
down  provision   in  FY  23   and  subsequently   had  been                                                                    
transitioned to the lower ADM.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:30:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Galvin  asked   about  the   hold  harmless                                                                    
provision  and wondered  if there  had  been any  particular                                                                    
exception for  COVID-19. She assumed there  were many people                                                                    
who decided  to home school for  at least a short  period of                                                                    
time and longer than a year in some cases.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Blackwell replied  that the  state  had experienced  an                                                                    
unexpected situation  when COVID  hit. He explained  that in                                                                    
FY 21,  a significant  number of students  had moved  out of                                                                    
brick and mortar schools  into correspondence. He elaborated                                                                    
that  because the  hold harmless  provision  only looked  at                                                                    
school  facilities,  the  vast  majority  of  the  districts                                                                    
triggered hold  harmless in that  year even though  they may                                                                    
have  retained the  students in  correspondence. He  relayed                                                                    
that most of  those districts had been moving  their way out                                                                    
of the hold harmless provision at present.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin asked  if there had been  a thought of                                                                    
extending  the  exception knowing  that  it  took some  time                                                                    
before  some families  were comfortable  sending their  kids                                                                    
back to school.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Teshner  replied  in  the negative  and                                                                    
explained that the department was following statute.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Coulombe  provided   a  scenario   where  a                                                                    
school's  attendance dipped  down for  a year,  went up  the                                                                    
following  year, and  back down  the year  after. Under  the                                                                    
scenario the  hold harmless provision would  be triggered in                                                                    
the first  year, but not  in the  second year. She  asked if                                                                    
the provision was triggered again  in the third year whether                                                                    
it  would be  considered the  third year  or it  would start                                                                    
over on the first year.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Blackwell responded  that a  school  could restart  the                                                                    
hold harmless provision if it  fell out of the hold harmless                                                                    
provision  but experienced  a 5  percent  decrease the  next                                                                    
year.  There were  situations where  a district  may trigger                                                                    
hold harmless followed  by a year or two of  an additional 5                                                                    
percent  decrease. Under  the circumstance,  the school  had                                                                    
the option to  restart or continue to let  the hold harmless                                                                    
play out.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:33:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  asked how  many kids  the school                                                                    
system had  lost over  the COVID years  and what  the number                                                                    
was at present.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner  did   not  have  the  percent                                                                    
difference  on  hand. She  offered  to  follow up  with  the                                                                    
information. She asked  what year Representative Tomaszewski                                                                    
was interested in.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski  clarified that  he did  not need                                                                    
the percentage. He was interested  in the number of students                                                                    
the school districts lost [during the COVID-19 pandemic].                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner answered  that in 1999 there had                                                                    
been about 132,904 ADM and in 2022 there were 127,584.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski asked  about  the difference  in                                                                    
the numbers over the past four years.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner replied  that in 2019 there were                                                                    
129,000 students and the current number was 127,000.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:35:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp stated his  understanding that the hold                                                                    
harmless provision  could be  triggered by  students leaving                                                                    
[a  school district's]  brick and  mortar schools.  He asked                                                                    
about a  scenario where  a student left  a brick  and mortar                                                                    
school and  enrolled in a  correspondence program.  He asked                                                                    
if the district could take  the hold harmless in addition to                                                                    
the funding for the same student for the correspondence.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner responded  affirmatively.  She                                                                    
elaborated that the scenario had  occurred during COVID. She                                                                    
explained there were  a few districts that  lost students in                                                                    
their  brick  and  mortar schools  and  triggered  the  hold                                                                    
harmless  provision and  then counted  the  students in  the                                                                    
correspondence count.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp asked how many  times it could be done.                                                                    
He  provided  a scenario  where  a  district used  the  hold                                                                    
harmless  provision  for  two  years  and  then  rolled  the                                                                    
students back into the brick  and mortar school. He asked if                                                                    
a district could be double dipping through the formula.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Teshner  responded with  a hypothetical                                                                    
scenario where a school district  triggered hold harmless in                                                                    
2021  and  was still  below  the  base  year in  2022,  hold                                                                    
harmless would  be turned off when  the district experienced                                                                    
an increase in 2023.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tomaszewski requested  details on the student                                                                    
count  in  brick  and  mortar  schools,  home  schools,  and                                                                    
charter schools between 2013 to 2023.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner Teshner  agreed to  follow up  with the                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:37:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Blackwell turned  to  slide 14  and  addressed Step  2:                                                                    
District  Cost   Factors.  After  going  through   the  hold                                                                    
harmless look the department moved  the school size adjusted                                                                    
number  to the  district cost  factor. Each  school district                                                                    
had  a   unique  cost  factor,   which  ranged   from  1.000                                                                    
(Anchorage)  to  2.116  (Yukon   Flats).  The  numbers  were                                                                    
established  through an  ISER study  conducted  in 2005  and                                                                    
were implemented  from FY 09 to  FY 13. The slide  used Nome                                                                    
as an  example and multiplied  its school size  adjusted ADM                                                                    
by its district  cost factor of 1.450. Slide  15 showed Step                                                                    
3:  Special  Needs Funding.  He  detailed  that the  formula                                                                    
included special  education (excluding intensive  needs that                                                                    
were treated  later in  the formula),  vocational education,                                                                    
gifted/talented, and bilingual/bicultural,  which were block                                                                    
funded at a 20 percent multiplier.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Blackwell turned to slide  17 showing Step 4: Vocational                                                                    
and Technical Funding. The  vocational and technical funding                                                                    
factor was  1.015 and  was intended  to assist  districts in                                                                    
providing career  and technical education (CTE)  services in                                                                    
grades 7 to  12. He noted it excluded  costs associated with                                                                    
administrative   expenses   and   instruction   in   general                                                                    
literacy, math,  and job readiness  skills. Slide  18 showed                                                                    
an example  of the application  of the CTE factor.  Slide 19                                                                    
showed  a   provision  for  consolidation  of   schools.  He                                                                    
explained  that  typically  very  large  districts  did  not                                                                    
trigger the  hold harmless provision (with  the exception of                                                                    
COVID) due to  the high number of  students and adjustments.                                                                    
The  consolidation  of  schools  had  been  implemented  for                                                                    
districts choosing  to consolidate  one or more  schools. He                                                                    
explained  that   the  first  two  fiscal   years  following                                                                    
consolidation  was 100  percent offset  of the  reduction in                                                                    
basic need for  the affected schools. The  percentage was 66                                                                    
percent  in the  third year  and  33 percent  in the  fourth                                                                    
year. He  relayed that  it gave an  incentive to  the larger                                                                    
districts to consolidate and get  rid of extra space without                                                                    
an initial hit to their budgets.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:41:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Blackwell turned  to slide 20 showing  Step 5: Intensive                                                                    
Services  Funding.  He  detailed   that  a  school  district                                                                    
received the funding for students that:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     1. Are receiving intensive services and                                                                                    
     2. Enrolled on the last day of the 20-school-day count                                                                     
        period and                                                                                                              
     3. Meet intensive qualifications for each intensive                                                                        
        services student                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     (Intensive Student Count) x 13 = Intensive Student                                                                         
     Funding                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     An Intensive Services student generates $77,480 based                                                                      
     on the current BSA                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Blackwell  looked  at  an   example  of  the  intensive                                                                    
services funding using  Nome public schools on  slide 22. He                                                                    
explained  that   Nome  public  schools  had   15  intensive                                                                    
students.  The  number  was multiplied  by  13  and  carried                                                                    
forward.   He   moved   to  slide   22   showing   Step   6:                                                                    
Correspondence  Programs.   He  explained  that   the  total                                                                    
correspondence ADM  was multiplied  by .90, which  was added                                                                    
back into  the adjusted  number carried through  the formula                                                                    
process.  He noted  that each  correspondence ADM  generated                                                                    
$5,364.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:43:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Blackwell turned  to slide 23 using  Nome public schools                                                                    
as an  example in  the correspondence calculation.  Nome had                                                                    
25  correspondence   students  multiplied  by  the   .9  and                                                                    
included in the adjusted ADM.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  looked  at  the  intensive  services                                                                    
funding  on slide  20. She  understood there  were different                                                                    
gradations  of what  an intensive  student  was. She  stated                                                                    
that  the  multiplying  by  13   signified  a  student  with                                                                    
specific  needs.  She  asked  for detail  on  the  need  for                                                                    
additional aid  and why it  got to be  expensive, especially                                                                    
in rural school districts.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner  Teshner responded that  intensive needs                                                                    
were  defined   as  students  with   disabilities  requiring                                                                    
specialized  instruction and  related  services beyond  what                                                                    
was typically  provided to general education.  She explained                                                                    
that the students needed more  complex and frequent services                                                                    
at varying  levels of  disability. She used  a student  in a                                                                    
wheelchair as an  example where the student could  not go to                                                                    
the restroom on  their own and may  need specific equipment.                                                                    
She stated  those students  would be  more identified  as an                                                                    
intensive student and receive the 13x the BSA.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:45:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Stapp looked at  the consolidation of schools                                                                    
provision on slide  19. He asked if it would  be fair to say                                                                    
the  provision was  needed because  when  a school  district                                                                    
closed a  school, the  foundation formula  would technically                                                                    
provide  the district  less  money for  the  same amount  of                                                                    
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Blackwell responded  affirmatively.  He explained  that                                                                    
the school district would lose  a school size adjustment and                                                                    
their adjusted ADM  would decrease even though  the base ADM                                                                    
would remain the same.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Stapp thought  it appeared  the school  size                                                                    
multiplier  would incentivize  districts  to  build as  many                                                                    
schools  as  possible  with  as   few  people  as  possible,                                                                    
especially in conjunction with the  state's school bond debt                                                                    
reimbursement program.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Blackwell  understood that in theory  the argument could                                                                    
be made. Although in reality  he did not know many districts                                                                    
that  would take  the approach  because as  school size  was                                                                    
decreased  the  schools would  lose  some  of the  amenities                                                                    
within  the  schools. He  stated  there  was a  balance.  He                                                                    
elaborated that rural school districts  were looking to keep                                                                    
their numbers up  and school buildings as  large as possible                                                                    
in order to  have full size gyms and that  sort of thing. He                                                                    
elaborated that in urban areas  if a school district started                                                                    
running numerous  small schools with small  populations, the                                                                    
district would start to lose amenities.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:47:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hannan  asked about  correspondence programs.                                                                    
She  recalled  that  in the  past  DEED  had  correspondence                                                                    
programs that  spanned the state. She  assumed Mt. Edgecumbe                                                                    
did  not offer  a  correspondence school  because  it was  a                                                                    
boarding school. She asked if  the other 53 school districts                                                                    
were  operating  correspondence  schools. She  stated  there                                                                    
were  a   couple  of  school   districts  who   had  offered                                                                    
correspondence  programs early  and had  recruited students.                                                                    
For  example, there  were students  in Juneau  attending the                                                                    
Galena correspondence school but  were playing basketball on                                                                    
a  Juneau team.  She  thought there  were  about five  major                                                                    
correspondence  programs drawing  students  from around  the                                                                    
state versus  within a district's boundaries  where a parent                                                                    
had   opted   to   home   school   with   their   district's                                                                    
correspondence program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner  replied that  there  were  36                                                                    
correspondence  programs  statewide.  She detailed  that  18                                                                    
were district run  programs and 18 were  state run programs.                                                                    
She   relayed  that   not  all   school   districts  ran   a                                                                    
correspondence program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cronk  considered the  day the  student count                                                                    
was conducted. He provided an  example where a student moved                                                                    
to another  school district  five days  after the  count. He                                                                    
asked for verification, "they don't get the money anymore."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Acting  Commissioner  Teshner  answered that  if  a  student                                                                    
moved from  Mat-Su to Anchorage  five days after  the 20-day                                                                    
count, Mat-Su would get the funding.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cronk used an intensive  needs student in the                                                                    
example. He asked if the  individual moved to Tok [after the                                                                    
student count], the district would  have to eat the costs to                                                                    
service the intensive needs student.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner agreed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe  looked  at slide  16  showing  the                                                                    
multiplier  for the  special needs  factor. She  asked if  a                                                                    
school could  have one  special needs student  or 30  and it                                                                    
would still receive the multiplier.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Acting Commissioner Teshner agreed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon thanked the presenters.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 65 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Edgmon reviewed the schedule for the following                                                                         
day.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB065 Additional Documents - Research ISER 2019.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65
HB065 Explanation of Changes from ver A to ver B 3.23.23.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65
HB065 Additional Documents - Support from School Boards and Organizations rec 3.23.23.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65
HB065 Public Testimony rec 3.23.23.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65
HB065 Sponsor Statement ver B 3.23.23.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65
HB065 NEW FN v B Foundation Program Allocation 3.23.23.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65
HB065 NEW FN vB Public Education Fund Allocation 3.23.23.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65
HB065 Sectional Analysis ver B 3.28.23.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65
H FIN DEED Foundation Formula Overview 03.30.23.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB065 HFin Presentation 3.30.23.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65
HB 39 CS WORKDRAFT vI 032923.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 39
HB 39 Amendment Language 7 v. I.1.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 39
HB 41 CS WorkDraft v.I 032923 .pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 41
HB 39 Language Amendment 7 Johnson v. I w Action 033023.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 39
(H)FIN 3.30.23 DEED Foundation Overview Follow-up Responses.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HFIN DEED Response Enclosure 4 - Alternative School ADM FY2013-FY2023 040323.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HFIN DEED Response Enclosure 2 - Correspondence ADM History FY2013-FY2023 033123.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
DEED HFIN Response Enclosure 1 - Brick and Mortar ADM History FY2013-FY2023 033123.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HFIN DEED Response Enclosure 3 - Charter School ADM FY2013-FY2023 040323.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65 Public Testimony Rec'd by 041823.pdf HFIN 3/30/2023 1:30:00 PM
HB 65